quote:

Originally posted by Rupertsurvives:
http://www.drugpolicy.org/issu...ing-personal-liberty

Today, Prop. 36 stands out as the most significant piece of sentencing reform since
the repeal of alcohol Prohibition. In its first four years, from mid-2001 to mid-2005,
Prop. 36 clearly delivered on its promises and proved itself as sound public policy:

? Prop. 36 diverted more than 140,000 people from incarceration to treatment during its first four years – half were accessing treatment for the first time.

? The number of people incarcerated in state prisons for drug possession fell dramatically – by 32 percent – after Prop. 36 was approved, from 19,736 to 13,457
(December 31, 2000 to June 30, 2005).

? Prop. 36 rendered unnecessary the construction of a new men’s prison, saving taxpayers at least half a billion dollars, and resulted in the shuttering of a women’s state
prison.

? Sixty percent fewer drug law offenders were sent to jail or prison in the first year of
Prop. 36’s implementation, compared to a typical year before Prop. 36, according to
University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) researchers.

Already apparent is how Prop. 36’s diversion policy is realizing its potential to save California
vast sums of money. Each year, some 36,000 people enter Prop. 36 treatment. When the cost
of Prop. 36 treatment, about $3,300 per person per year, is compared to the average cost of
a year in prison, about $34,150 per person, the potential for savings to the taxpayer becomes
abundantly clear.

Would you clarify the apx. % of people who you are speaking of. What % were military?
What % of the military folks experienced war first hand?
And were these friends of yours that you grew up with or just happened to meet in the military.


My experience is completely different than yours. 98% my friends that smoke the smelly stuff and that have dabbled in the 'drug of the day' are alive and well and are productive members of society. Do remember one person who snorted the white stuff and his nose would start bleeding right then but he 'came correct' and figured out that was not for him.

Even have friends who graduated college and then joined the armed services to gain better structure in their lives (and they continue to smoke the smelly stuff). And no, i won't mention what college they teach at.
One of my neighbors was the biggest and strongest dudes in town. On leave from Viet Nam he told me he was scared to go back to war and he returned in a body bag three months later. I was still young and couldn't completely process it for many years.
Another neighbor tried to give himself a hernia so he wouldn't have to serve in the military. After returning from serving his country; when everybody else would experiment with one tab he would take six or seven tabs. He became very outrageous and i haven't seen him in decades.

But i have lost a few dear friends who never grew out of the booze and there actions got them killed later in life. These were great well liked and popular people in the community.


So are my friends lucky and yours aren't.
Do i choose my friends wisely and you didn't. Only you know that answer.

There comes a time in every kids life when a light bulb goes on and he thinks , "Me mum was correct if i hang with those chaps i will be taking the wrong path."

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Great to see you online today oldrock. Would you be so kind to reply to my post. thank you
.

HEE HAW

quote:

Originally posted by Tim Lang:

quote:

Originally posted by Rupertsurvives:
http://www.drugpolicy.org/issu...ing-personal-liberty

Today, Prop. 36 stands out as the most significant piece of sentencing reform since
the repeal of alcohol Prohibition. In its first four years, from mid-2001 to mid-2005,
Prop. 36 clearly delivered on its promises and proved itself as sound public policy:

? Prop. 36 diverted more than 140,000 people from incarceration to treatment during its first four years – half were accessing treatment for the first time.

? The number of people incarcerated in state prisons for drug possession fell dramatically – by 32 percent – after Prop. 36 was approved, from 19,736 to 13,457
(December 31, 2000 to June 30, 2005).

? Prop. 36 rendered unnecessary the construction of a new men’s prison, saving taxpayers at least half a billion dollars, and resulted in the shuttering of a women’s state
prison.

? Sixty percent fewer drug law offenders were sent to jail or prison in the first year of
Prop. 36’s implementation, compared to a typical year before Prop. 36, according to
University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) researchers.

Already apparent is how Prop. 36’s diversion policy is realizing its potential to save California
vast sums of money. Each year, some 36,000 people enter Prop. 36 treatment. When the cost
of Prop. 36 treatment, about $3,300 per person per year, is compared to the average cost of
a year in prison, about $34,150 per person, the potential for savings to the taxpayer becomes
abundantly clear.

That is very interesting Mr. Tim Lang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...roposition_36_(2000)

That is very interesting Mr. Tim Lang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...roposition_36_(2000)[/QUOTE]

In spite of all the criticism, it seems to be a way cheaper method of dealing with substance abusers. Other than just locking them up with hardened violent criminals at a very high cost to society and children.
Thanks for the Wiki article.

how much can i get for turning in Merck or Pfizer? They killed a star athlete from
Enid.

quote:

Originally posted by mr jiggs:
how much can i get for turning in Merck or Pfizer? They killed a star athlete from
Enid.

i don't remember seeing it in any articles that anyone forced Austin Box to take pain meds. no one.

i would also love to believe it was the drug dealer's fault that sold my daughter's best friend the heroin that killed her at age 19 last June. but it was NOT the dealer, it was our beloved who ingested that noxious substance to dull HER (emotional) pain from her abusive past.

or that it was Jim Beam that killed a good friend's father (cirrhosis). or that white society killed my native american mother (diabetes).

how bout some accountability? the kids took the drugs, my friend's father drank himself to death and my mom didn't eat right or take care of herself right (shame that cheap over processed food kills broke folks, but it is what it is...)

quote:

Originally posted by flybananas:

quote:

Originally posted by mr jiggs:
how much can i get for turning in Merck or Pfizer? They killed a star athlete from
Enid.

i don't remember seeing it in any articles that anyone forced Austin Box to take pain meds. no one.

i would also love to believe it was the drug dealer's fault that sold my daughter's best friend the heroin that killed her at age 19 last June. but it was NOT the dealer, it was our beloved who ingested that noxious substance to dull HER (emotional) pain from her abusive past.

or that it was Jim Beam that killed a good friend's father (cirrhosis). or that white society killed my native american mother (diabetes).

how bout some accountability? the kids took the drugs, my friend's father drank himself to death and my mom didn't eat right or take care of herself right (shame that cheap over processed food kills broke folks, but it is what it is...)

http://news.yahoo.com/us-agent...eport-180012421.html

Anti-narcotics agents working for the US government have laundered or smuggled millions of dollars in drug proceeds to see how the system works and use the information against Mexican drug cartels, The New York Times reported Sunday.