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Old Pro |
Last night, as I was flipping thru channels trying to find something interesting to watch, I happened across Pastor Charles
Stanley talking about "forgiveness".
I must say, what he was saying did get me to thinking. I think I have a problem with truely forgiving some people that I've delt with in life. How does one forgive someone who never says they are sorry for what they did? I know it can be done. How do you know if you've really forgiven someone like that? Forgiveness is very important to God. Christians are told to forgive others, so that God will forgive us. Jesus said that when you are praying, that if you have anything against anyone, to stop and go get it settled. How can you know when you've totally forgiven someone, and not just partially forgiven them? If you are still mistrustful of them, is that unforgiveness? Or is that just being wise? |
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| Old Pro |
Good post. I can think of some that sometimes crop up in my mind even though I spent decades teaching that forgiveness is the conditional part of salvation (if you can't forgive, you cannot be forgiven). We often had discussions of the difference in forgiveness and trust for the one you forgive. Forgiveness erases all past sins against you, it doesn't prevent future ones. Jesus used a phrase " Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Seems to pretty much cover the question of how to regard those you have forgiven as well. Sounds as if Jesus expected us to be aware that we may be eaten if not alert to those that would harm us. |
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http://www.abpnews.com/index.p...ew&id=4303&Itemid=53
Burleson noted a recent address by California Baptist pastor Rick Warren to the Islamic Society of North America where Warren challenged Muslims and Christians to respect the dignity of every person by valuing, not just tolerating, people; restore civility to civilization; and protect freedom of speech and freedom of religion for all people. Burleson said before Baptist Christians can begin to respond to Muslims in that way, they need to learn to treat their own Baptist brothers -- and especially sisters -- with that kind of respect. "In other words, until I can treat all my Baptist friends with dignity, value them as people and respect their views -- particularly and especially those Baptists who disagree with me -- it will be impossible for me to treat Muslims in the same manner," he said. Sounds like a large Delay of Respect Penalty on Burleson! TRY CLOSING YOUR EYES & JUST TREAT EVERYONE WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY. |
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| Old Pro |
U were smart to delete your lame reply to this post. 
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| Old Pro |
Not lame, just pointless.
There's no point in explaining anymore. The time of forgiveness is almost over for this world. Grace is running out. There is nothing but a sure time of wrath and judgment ahead. "Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord, I will repay" The suffering of the Christians at the hands of the spiritual Nazis is ignored by 99.9% of the world today, including many psuedo-christians that are taking up space. But God sees. The time is at hand. |
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| Old Pro |
 cw's party is over |
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| Old Pro |
The band is just warmin' up. The party will be over for real on the plain of Megiddo, in just a few more years.
It's gonna be a real blast. Until then, everyone's gotta dance. It's an old dance, called the goosestep. Same dance, new accent. |
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| Old Pro |
 They are even marching without their falsies. |
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Old Pro |
 True Forgiveness: |
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| Old Pro |
Well i read freemalaysiatoday & hindustantimes but No Can Post weaselzippers in a Religious Forum. c'mon weaselzippers....really. 
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| Old Pro |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...AR2010111601550.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/sto...10/11/16/3067364.htm How does one forgive these things? Ethnic cleansing and genocide, systematic oppression. When the perps are totally unrepentant, and have said they don't plan to stop? How many Christians in the west are helping the Christian refugees escape? Are many churches sponsoring refugees here? I wonder. Can an individual person or family sponsor a refugee or refugees in a situation like this? |
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I typed in "sponsor Christian refugees to United States" and saw a lot of organizations working to do this.
MBW's family (Dutch Catholic) was sponsored from Indonesia to the US by a church in Oregon, I think. Maybe Washington, but one of those two. My mother became friends with a Coptic Christian family in Victorville and they had been sponsored by a church. I don't know much about it, but I would presume that folks sponsored would need a place to stay for at least a little while. When RH and I were working for that small business the company sponsored Eastern Europeans - Romanians, Bulgarians, Russians etc. I know there was a TON of paperwork and MANY guarantees to be made regarding housing and education, etc. They brought over so many they bought a house just for that. |
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| Old Pro |
Thanks T.
I'm considering looking into it, and seeing if I can sponsor a family or a woman and kids. I don't have much, but I think I can make a couple of rooms available, and provide food, clothes, and basics for as long as they'd need to get on their feet here. They would possibly need more than just physical needs met, they would likely need emotional and psychological need in transitioning to our more liberal lifestyles and such, after living in strict Islamic-dominated mores for generations. No "honor killings" allowed on my watch, for a daughter that becomes too westernized, crap like that. I don't think most of the Christians are into that as much as the majority around them, but I know the influence of a shame-based/punishment-based society and culture can be hard to shake. Of course, it would be worth the effort and sacrifice to save some lives. |
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| Old Pro |
Well, I know you have been thinking about this for quite some time. It is a lovely thing to do, and brave.
We've had folk living in the back room for up to three years before they were set and ready to go, but they were Americans so the responsibility wasn't anything like you are considering. You are right about the food and utilities - we never charged anybody anything. How are you supposed to save up for deposit and rent and utilities if you don't have a little resting space? |
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