And the Christian minority in Pakistan, in Turkey, in Lebanon, in Syria, in Iraq, in Jordan, Algeria, in Sudan, in northern Nigeria, in Indonesia? I do. Jesus is watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...tGA&feature=youtu.be

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Originally posted by Celtic Warrior:
While our Christian brothers and sisters are suffering persecution and death, slavery and abuse, many so-called Christian leaders in the west are busying themselves whoring and submitting to the oppressor of the brethren...

Satanic much?

Christlam
http://pastormikesays.wordpres...e-hair-on-your-neck/

I can't help but remember that Jesus told his followers that they would be persecuted, and when they came for him, he said His kingdom is not of this world or His followers would fight. His words are all as true today. All of Christ's prophecies described only a world that hated his followers until His return. While it is sickening that those things are there now and here later, only those that endure will be saved. For me, it would be hard not to fight back but maybe if it were me the spirit of God would allow me to endure instead of fight. Even peter wanted to fight but Christ reminded him that it isn't about kingdoms here. Islam can gain the whole world but has lost their soul. Such a fate is truly worse than the death of this body. I know who wins in the end, I read the back of the book.

A big Amen SOT: What does it profit a man if he gains the world but loses his soul? Amen

Ephesians 6:13
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

http://www.persecution.org/cro.../45-million-martyrs/

We are in "the evil day". Stand, or fall by the wayside, I choose to STAND.

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We have every right to pray against Islam and Marxism for GOD HIMSELF to bring them down to total destruction.

Hey CW, I found a movie of Christians in Bosnia shooting some Muslims and burning some of them alive. I guess that God is answering your prayers.

Why doesn't God just smite them instead of allowing them to lay there and scream in agony while the Christians are burning them up? Seems like it would be more humane to me. Apparently your loving God wants them to die agonizing deaths.

I bet God would even want your Mecca nuke to be detonated such that blast deaths are minimized, but radiation sickness is maximized. Nothing beats a good skin sloughing.

Note: Would post the movie link, but it is just too gruesome.

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Originally posted by Celtic Warrior:

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Originally posted by SOT:

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Originally posted by Celtic Warrior:
While our Christian brothers and sisters are suffering persecution and death, slavery and abuse, many so-called Christian leaders in the west are busying themselves whoring and submitting to the oppressor of the brethren...

Satanic much?

Christlam
http://pastormikesays.wordpres...e-hair-on-your-neck/

I can't help but remember that Jesus told his followers that they would be persecuted, and when they came for him, he said His kingdom is not of this world or His followers would fight. His words are all as true today. All of Christ's prophecies described only a world that hated his followers until His return. While it is sickening that those things are there now and here later, only those that endure will be saved. For me, it would be hard not to fight back but maybe if it were me the spirit of God would allow me to endure instead of fight. Even peter wanted to fight but Christ reminded him that it isn't about kingdoms here. Islam can gain the whole world but has lost their soul. Such a fate is truly worse than the death of this body. I know who wins in the end, I read the back of the book.

The church in the West for the most part turns a blind eye to the suffering of their fellow Christians in Muslim and Marxist (same demonic principality over both idealogies) areas. We should be mentioning them every sermon, every service, every function. Churches should be taking up donations weekly to send aid and encouragement to these people, and praying for them day and night for what they are going throuh, instead of sidling up to their enemies and fighting FOR the enemy.

Our weapons are SPIRITUAL not carnal, and we are told to use them. Put on the FULL armor of God and get out there and FIGHT. Expose the lies that exault themselves against the truth and against our Lord Jesus Christ (who IS the Truth).

We have every right to pray against Islam and Marxism for GOD HIMSELF to bring them down to total destruction. We have EVERY right to PRAY for the souls held captive to satan to be SET FREE.

Saint Paul says:

Ephesians 6:13
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Do all you can to pray, speak the truth, stand by your fellow Christians, stand UP for JESUS! And after having done all you can do, you stand steadfast. Don't cower, don't crumble, but stand firm.

Yup.

As for Fred's movie, "movies are make believe", if they weren't, watch out for Freddie Kruger, he'd be using the handle "RightbledFred"!

PS If Fred had watched the credits he would have seen the disclaimer "No muslims were harmed during the making of this movie".

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Originally posted by RightsaidFred:

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We have every right to pray against Islam and Marxism for GOD HIMSELF to bring them down to total destruction.

Hey CW, I found a movie of Christians in Bosnia shooting some Muslims and burning some of them alive. I guess that God is answering your prayers.

Why doesn't God just smite them instead of allowing them to lay there and scream in agony while the Christians are burning them up? Seems like it would be more humane to me. Apparently your loving God wants them to die agonizing deaths.

I bet God would even want your Mecca nuke to be detonated such that blast deaths are minimized, but radiation sickness is maximized. Nothing beats a good skin sloughing.

Note: Would post the movie link, but it is just too gruesome.

I am afraid that you have it wrong Fred: People who committ these atrocities are not Christians and are evil. They are letting Satan run their lives. They made their choice to do these evil things and are accountable for it one day. God does not condone these actions and it offends him. His judgement to interfer or not is his alone. I don't know why. I do trust his decision. Man makes his free decisions to do evil and wrong. Man is at fault.

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As for Fred's movie, "movies are make believe", if they weren't, watch out for Freddie Kruger, he'd be using the handle "RightbledFred"!

Very strange that they would allow "make believe" to be entered into evidence at the Slobodan Milosevic war crimes trial.

The scenes look so real too. The top of that one guys head popping off when they shoot him from about 20 feet away. The two guys apparently begging for their lives as gasoline is poured on them, and the camera man wretching after they are set on fire. The very jerky motion of the camera and poor quality of the filming. CGI has certainly come along way.

I guess it has to be fake since Christians are all about loving and nuking their "enemies", not shooting and burning them. Definitely had me goin' there for a minute, SoT.

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I am afraid that you have it wrong Fred: People who committ these atrocities are not Christians and are evil.

Got it MC:

True Christians can do only good.

True Muslims can do only evil.

A person who commits an evil act cannot, by definition, be a true Christian.

A person who performs and act of good cannot, by definition, be a true Muslim.

But, it is okay for true Christians to pray that Mecca gets nuked because... uh... because nuking non-Christians and seats of non-Christian religions is fundamentally "good"... right?

All is right with the world.

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I feel in my spirit that it's about time for God's wrath to be unleashed upon that place. I've felt that for some time now. Then I read the article of the recent siesmic activity and the threat of volcanos becoming active near Mecca.

Time to refill the the Haldol.

Hey CW, were those Bosnian Christians doing God's work when they barbequed those Muslims, in your opinion?

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Originally posted by RightsaidFred:

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I am afraid that you have it wrong Fred: People who committ these atrocities are not Christians and are evil.

Got it MC:

True Christians can do only good.

True Muslims can do only evil.


A person who commits an evil act cannot, by definition, be a true Christian.

A person who performs and act of good cannot, by definition, be a true Muslim.

But, it is okay for true Christians to pray that Mecca gets nuked because... uh... because nuking non-Christians and seats of non-Christian religions is fundamentally "good"... right?

All is right with the world.

Wrong Fred: Some who call themselves Christian are not. They do evil in Gods name and will have to atone for it one day. I never said that all Muslim was evil or bad. Your words, not mine.

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I never said that all Muslim was evil or bad.

And your "not saying" says it all.

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Originally posted by RightsaidFred:

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As for Fred's movie, "movies are make believe", if they weren't, watch out for Freddie Kruger, he'd be using the handle "RightbledFred"!

Very strange that they would allow "make believe" to be entered into evidence at the Slobodan Milosevic war crimes trial.

The scenes look so real too. The top of that one guys head popping off when they shoot him from about 20 feet away. The two guys apparently begging for their lives as gasoline is poured on them, and the camera man wretching after they are set on fire. The very jerky motion of the camera and poor quality of the filming. CGI has certainly come along way.

I guess it has to be fake since Christians are all about loving and nuking their "enemies", not shooting and burning them. Definitely had me goin' there for a minute, SoT.

You're the one that called it a "movie" fred. Maybe just colloquial differences in dialect, but "movies" here are make believe. "Videos", "recordings" and "news" bytes are usually something to be checked out for authenticity. I have no idea what you are referring to if you saw a video of someone fighting. The last time I recall anyone falsely using the term "christian" in the act of murder was during the genocidal reign of hitler and the inquisitions by the "so called church" or maybe the Salem witch trials. Was this something like that? Was it something you saw on Al Jazeera?

Are you able to recognize a Christian when you see one? A tee shirt or cross is not one of the signs of a Christian. As I've mentioned before, to muslims, you are considered a "christian" which means the term is used pretty loosely sometimes.

PS I agree with CW that there are persecutions of Christians across the world that are pretty much ignored but that's part of the package and Christ never mislead anyone to think differently. Y'hoshua the messiah told everyone up front "You will be hated because of my name" and so it is. I'm not sure He (Christ) wanted us to fight to build his Kingdom on earth, as he repeated a couple of times that His kingdom was not of this world and repeated many times that if you followed Him you would probably suffer at the hands of the evil ones in this world. Pretty straightforward.

I have been threatened both physically and financially for my belief in Christ and I'm still here and can't believe He found me fitting to even suffer a tiny bit for Him. All I can say that ever resulted from the threats is that I fell from corporate grace and didn't get some promotions that were due because I refused to bow to the demands that I stop having prayer meetings in the place I worked. When I left the place it was my decision, When the members of the executive board of directors that threatened me left, it was not their choice. Some were caught embezzling, others just found to be worthless (and I already knew them as liars). Oh well. I don't care about the raises. I make less money now than I did 30 years ago but make it fine. I still have my faith, those that threatened me lost the thing they placed their faith in. The physical threats merely resulted in a little theft and vandalism which meant nothing.

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Are you able to recognize a Christian when you see one? A tee shirt or cross is not one of the signs of a Christian. As I've mentioned before, to muslims, you are considered a "christian" which means the term is used pretty loosely sometimes.

So, calling oneself a "Christian" does not make one a Christian, but calling oneself a "Muslim" does make one a Muslim?

Why the double standard, SoT? Could it be that those who commit violent acts do not represent their professed religion regardless of what it may be?

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“Please watch this and forward it to the world so they know how serious it is in Afghanistan to be a Christian,” a leader of the Afghan Christian refugee community in Delhi wrote to ICC.

http://www.persecution.org/cro...ding-in-afghanistan/

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Sadly the world doesn't give a rat's ass, neither do 99% of professing "Christians" in the free world.

Thankfully, God does. "Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the LORD, I WILL repay".