Here's something that President Obama laid out in his State of the Union that I think deserves special attention:

Under current law, American companies can actually get a tax deduction for outsourcing jobs.

That's the opposite of how it should work. President Obama is proposing to end tax deductions for outsourcing, create a new tax credit for bringing jobs home, and lower tax rates for companies that manufacture and create jobs in the United States.

If you think this should be a priority during this campaign, it's up to you to speak out. Support the President and spread the word:

http://my.barackobama.com/Keep-Jobs-at-Home

This could be a defining issue of 2012.

One of our prospective opponents built his career in part on outsourcing jobs in the private sector -- and then continued outsourcing jobs as a governor. Is that the kind of economic experience and mindset people want in a President?

We heard a much different plan from President Obama this week -- and we need to make sure everyone knows about this contrast. In his own words, "It's time to stop rewarding businesses that ship jobs overseas, and start rewarding companies that create jobs right here in America. ... Our workers are the most productive on Earth, and if the playing field is level, I promise you -- America will always win."

Thanks,

James

James Kvaal
National Policy Director
Obama for America

P.S. -- Here's the quote from the State of the Union:

"Think about the America within our reach: A country that leads the world in educating its people. An America that attracts a new generation of high-tech manufacturing and high-paying jobs. A future where we're in control of our own energy, and our security and prosperity aren't so tied to unstable parts of the world. ...

What's happening in Detroit can happen in other industries. It can happen in Cleveland and Pittsburgh and Raleigh. We can't bring back every job that's left our shores. But right now, it's getting more expensive to do business in places like China. Meanwhile, America is more productive. A few weeks ago, the CEO of Master Lock told me that it now makes business sense for him to bring jobs back home. Today, for the first time in fifteen years, Master Lock's unionized plant in Milwaukee is running at full capacity.

So we have a huge opportunity, at this moment, to bring manufacturing back. But we have to seize it. ...

My message is simple. It's time to stop rewarding businesses that ship jobs overseas, and start rewarding companies that create jobs right here in America. Send me these tax reforms, and I'll sign them right away."

I signed up but I didn't do the donation. I hope my vote still took!

There was nothing new in Obama's speech. Obama has had ample time and opportunity to punish companies who outsource, but what would happen if he did? Those same companies would be compelled to move the remainder of their company overseas. In fact, many companies outsourse to save money in manufacturing, so that they can remain in the US! I work for a multibillion dollar company. If we stopped outsourcing today, we would have to shut down American operations and move abroad. Not only that, but the suppliers that we use from this country would also shut down because we are by far their biggest client. I would not get too carried away by Obama's simplistic campaign speech. It is just designed to appeal to the ignorant...

The math just doesn't compute. If your company stopped outsourcing, they'd have to shut down American operations??

Is this because of cost or those few extra dollars going into the pockets of the stockholders? What you're being told sounds a LOT like the GOP "religion of money" gospel.

One more question...is it ignorant to conceive of a world where American companies actually hired Americans? If so, I'm about as ignorant as it gets!

I don't think kenny can read?

President Obama is proposing to end tax deductions for outsourcing, create a new tax credit for bringing jobs home, and lower tax rates for companies that manufacture and create jobs in the United States.

Buy American, Buy Local, and Boycott Kenny!!!

Something else for the Republicans to drag their feet on.

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Originally posted by RainbowHed:
The math just doesn't compute. If your company stopped outsourcing, they'd have to shut down American operations??

Is this because of cost or those few extra dollars going into the pockets of the stockholders? What you're being told sounds a LOT like the GOP "religion of money" gospel.

One more question...is it ignorant to conceive of a world where American companies actually hired Americans? If so, I'm about as ignorant as it gets!

Common sense tells us that American companies would like nothing better than to keep all manufacturing within our borders, but we all know that we are in a global economy now, like it or not. As long as manufacturing costs are drastically lower abroad, American companies must adjust to that reality or go out of business alltogether. There is also the issue of growing sales abroad. Sometimes you need to endear your product to foreign consumers by creating jobs with your product in their country. I think that a lot of outsourcing concerns reflect the failure to realize that much of the product is SOLD overseas. Another scenario is that much of my companies products cannot be produced any longer in this country because of oppressive environmental regulations. Meanwhile, the countries that are picking up the slack have absolutely NO environmental regulations! We are better off relaxing some over-regulation than to allow manufacturing to go where the planet will be harmed the most. I do not know what the ultimate answer will be, but government manipulation of the markets will continue to do more harm than good. Maybe if we drop all taxation on production, and tax consumption only, we will find that outsourcing will soon reverse. More people will have jobs, and more people will be consuming and adding to the treasury. Rich people consume more, so they will pay their share of taxes. We could help the poor by excluding taxes of basic necessities like food and clothing. We must never make it so that there is no incentive for the unemployed to seek work, which is where we are now...

Exactly! All american workers have to do is reduce their standard of living so that they can compete with workers in other countries who can survive on two bucks an our or less.

It's simple, huh, Kennyboy?

kenny and millions of ubercons just like him really do want the USA to become a third world country, could it be any more obvious?

Save the American Brand

And apparently the guy simply cannot read. I swear kenny, we can see that you can type, can you not read the article that was posted and make your comments based on what is in the article instead of something yer pulling outcher butt?

i'm always looking for US made products and US provided services. sadly, they CAN be difficult to find, especially if there is an urgent need for something and UNFORTUNATELY, they can be way outa my budget.

be nice if there were tax breaks to companies who created US jobs, instead of those who outsource.

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Originally posted by flybananas:
i'm always looking for US made products and US provided services. sadly, they CAN be difficult to find, especially if there is an urgent need for something and UNFORTUNATELY, they can be way outa my budget.

be nice if there were tax breaks to companies who created US jobs, instead of those who outsource.

Bingo, nanners read and comprehended Obama's SOTU policy position.

My goal this xmas was to buy only local or american gifts. It was impossible. I tried, I really tried.

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Originally posted by kenlori:

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Originally posted by RainbowHed:
The math just doesn't compute. If your company stopped outsourcing, they'd have to shut down American operations??

Is this because of cost or those few extra dollars going into the pockets of the stockholders? What you're being told sounds a LOT like the GOP "religion of money" gospel.

One more question...is it ignorant to conceive of a world where American companies actually hired Americans? If so, I'm about as ignorant as it gets!

Common sense tells us that American companies would like nothing better than to keep all manufacturing within our borders, but we all know that we are in a global economy now, like it or not. As long as manufacturing costs are drastically lower abroad, American companies must adjust to that reality or go out of business alltogether. There is also the issue of growing sales abroad. Sometimes you need to endear your product to foreign consumers by creating jobs with your product in their country. I think that a lot of outsourcing concerns reflect the failure to realize that much of the product is SOLD overseas. Another scenario is that much of my companies products cannot be produced any longer in this country because of oppressive environmental regulations. Meanwhile, the countries that are picking up the slack have absolutely NO environmental regulations! We are better off relaxing some over-regulation than to allow manufacturing to go where the planet will be harmed the most. I do not know what the ultimate answer will be, but government manipulation of the markets will continue to do more harm than good. Maybe if we drop all taxation on production, and tax consumption only, we will find that outsourcing will soon reverse. More people will have jobs, and more people will be consuming and adding to the treasury. Rich people consume more, so they will pay their share of taxes. We could help the poor by excluding taxes of basic necessities like food and clothing. We must never make it so that there is no incentive for the unemployed to seek work, which is where we are now...

One thing China does that we might consider is that NO company can sell anything there unless they have a factory in China. We buy mostly Chinese here but don't have the same rule.

I'm gonna put this out there for you. I don't doubt that there are oppressive enviromental regulations out there. Just like a lot of other goverment rules, they tend to be "blanket" rules that require nobody to look at things on a case by case basis. Also, we have to consider the possibility of SOME of those rules bringing profit to a select few. With that said, all I ever see from either party is ALL OR NOTHING. That's what gets me irate when talking about the enviroment vs industry. I want a clear headed approach where the many are more important that the few. Where your grandchildren will have clean water to drink that doesn't come from overseas in plastic bottles.

We cannot compete with slave wages. We cannot compete with societies such as China where the people are so controlled that they think they're lucky to have their crackerbox apartment and 16 hour job. We also can't compete with laws that make stockholder profit more important than their products. One other problem was greed by the Union bosses. Of course, like other things that are considered liberal or anti-business, they came about because of greed from the owners. We need a total change in mindset from me me me to US!

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Originally posted by RainbowHed:

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Originally posted by kenlori:

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Originally posted by RainbowHed:
The math just doesn't compute. If your company stopped outsourcing, they'd have to shut down American operations??

Is this because of cost or those few extra dollars going into the pockets of the stockholders? What you're being told sounds a LOT like the GOP "religion of money" gospel.

One more question...is it ignorant to conceive of a world where American companies actually hired Americans? If so, I'm about as ignorant as it gets!

Common sense tells us that American companies would like nothing better than to keep all manufacturing within our borders, but we all know that we are in a global economy now, like it or not. As long as manufacturing costs are drastically lower abroad, American companies must adjust to that reality or go out of business alltogether. There is also the issue of growing sales abroad. Sometimes you need to endear your product to foreign consumers by creating jobs with your product in their country. I think that a lot of outsourcing concerns reflect the failure to realize that much of the product is SOLD overseas. Another scenario is that much of my companies products cannot be produced any longer in this country because of oppressive environmental regulations. Meanwhile, the countries that are picking up the slack have absolutely NO environmental regulations! We are better off relaxing some over-regulation than to allow manufacturing to go where the planet will be harmed the most. I do not know what the ultimate answer will be, but government manipulation of the markets will continue to do more harm than good. Maybe if we drop all taxation on production, and tax consumption only, we will find that outsourcing will soon reverse. More people will have jobs, and more people will be consuming and adding to the treasury. Rich people consume more, so they will pay their share of taxes. We could help the poor by excluding taxes of basic necessities like food and clothing. We must never make it so that there is no incentive for the unemployed to seek work, which is where we are now...

One thing China does that we might consider is that NO company can sell anything there unless they have a factory in China. We buy mostly Chinese here but don't have the same rule.Exactly. Also, our government has done nothing to address the unfair trade practices of China. Is it because China owns so much of our debt that we do not have any say? Without the manipulation of their currency, China would not be the economic giant that they have become

I'm gonna put this out there for you. I don't doubt that there are oppressive enviromental regulations out there. Just like a lot of other goverment rules, they tend to be "blanket" rules that require nobody to look at things on a case by case basis. Also, we have to consider the possibility of SOME of those rules bringing profit to a select few. With that said, all I ever see from either party is ALL OR NOTHING. That's what gets me irate when talking about the enviroment vs industry. I want a clear headed approach where the many are more important that the few. Where your grandchildren will have clean water to drink that doesn't come from overseas in plastic bottles. I agree with everything that you said, but I really doubt that we will be drinking any 'clean' drinking water from overseas...unless it comes from melted glaciers. It is the lack of environmental standards for countries like China that help to allow them to manufacture cheaper than us.

We cannot compete with slave wages. We cannot compete with societies such as China where the people are so controlled that they think they're lucky to have their crackerbox apartment and 16 hour job. We also can't compete with laws that make stockholder profit more important than their products. One other problem was greed by the Union bosses. Of course, like other things that are considered liberal or anti-business, they came about because of greed from the owners. We need a total change in mindset from me me me to US!

Again, I agree with all that you said. You mentioned the cracker box housing of places like China. Unfortunately many on the left in this country thinks that we should live by those standards and be happy. We are supposed to be willing to give all that we earn to the government and allow them to provide for us. I think that is the goal of many in the OWS group and a many environmentalists. The only way that we can keep a higher standard of living is to be the leaders in technology. Our technology is being stolen or given away in trade agreements by our own leaders. We spent multiple billions of dollars in missle technology only to have our governmnet give it to China, who in turn shared it with third world rogue nations, who are now threatening us with it....but that is for another thread. Like I said, I do not have the answers, but some things are obvious...and that is that our government is often the problem...not always China.

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Originally posted by kenlori:

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Originally posted by RainbowHed:

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Originally posted by kenlori:

quote:

Originally posted by RainbowHed:
The math just doesn't compute. If your company stopped outsourcing, they'd have to shut down American operations??

Is this because of cost or those few extra dollars going into the pockets of the stockholders? What you're being told sounds a LOT like the GOP "religion of money" gospel.

One more question...is it ignorant to conceive of a world where American companies actually hired Americans? If so, I'm about as ignorant as it gets!

Common sense tells us that American companies would like nothing better than to keep all manufacturing within our borders, but we all know that we are in a global economy now, like it or not. As long as manufacturing costs are drastically lower abroad, American companies must adjust to that reality or go out of business alltogether. There is also the issue of growing sales abroad. Sometimes you need to endear your product to foreign consumers by creating jobs with your product in their country. I think that a lot of outsourcing concerns reflect the failure to realize that much of the product is SOLD overseas. Another scenario is that much of my companies products cannot be produced any longer in this country because of oppressive environmental regulations. Meanwhile, the countries that are picking up the slack have absolutely NO environmental regulations! We are better off relaxing some over-regulation than to allow manufacturing to go where the planet will be harmed the most. I do not know what the ultimate answer will be, but government manipulation of the markets will continue to do more harm than good. Maybe if we drop all taxation on production, and tax consumption only, we will find that outsourcing will soon reverse. More people will have jobs, and more people will be consuming and adding to the treasury. Rich people consume more, so they will pay their share of taxes. We could help the poor by excluding taxes of basic necessities like food and clothing. We must never make it so that there is no incentive for the unemployed to seek work, which is where we are now...

One thing China does that we might consider is that NO company can sell anything there unless they have a factory in China. We buy mostly Chinese here but don't have the same rule.Exactly. Also, our government has done nothing to address the unfair trade practices of China. Is it because China owns so much of our debt that we do not have any say? Without the manipulation of their currency, China would not be the economic giant that they have become

I'm gonna put this out there for you. I don't doubt that there are oppressive enviromental regulations out there. Just like a lot of other goverment rules, they tend to be "blanket" rules that require nobody to look at things on a case by case basis. Also, we have to consider the possibility of SOME of those rules bringing profit to a select few. With that said, all I ever see from either party is ALL OR NOTHING. That's what gets me irate when talking about the enviroment vs industry. I want a clear headed approach where the many are more important that the few. Where your grandchildren will have clean water to drink that doesn't come from overseas in plastic bottles. I agree with everything that you said, but I really doubt that we will be drinking any 'clean' drinking water from overseas...unless it comes from melted glaciers. It is the lack of environmental standards for countries like China that help to allow them to manufacture cheaper than us.

We cannot compete with slave wages. We cannot compete with societies such as China where the people are so controlled that they think they're lucky to have their crackerbox apartment and 16 hour job. We also can't compete with laws that make stockholder profit more important than their products. One other problem was greed by the Union bosses. Of course, like other things that are considered liberal or anti-business, they came about because of greed from the owners. We need a total change in mindset from me me me to US!

Again, I agree with all that you said. You mentioned the cracker box housing of places like China. Unfortunately many on the left in this country thinks that we should live by those standards and be happy. We are supposed to be willing to give all that we earn to the government and allow them to provide for us. I think that is the goal of many in the OWS group and a many environmentalists. The only way that we can keep a higher standard of living is to be the leaders in technology. Our technology is being stolen or given away in trade agreements by our own leaders. We spent multiple billions of dollars in missle technology only to have our governmnet give it to China, who in turn shared it with third world rogue nations, who are now threatening us with it....but that is for another thread. Like I said, I do not have the answers, but some things are obvious...and that is that our government is often the problem...not always China.

ken...I've ran into people that fit the category of Leftists that you describe but most of them were/are idealistic college kids that don't have enough life experience to see the fallacy of their arguments. Most socially liberal folks I know do not want total governmental control. They don't want the illegal immigration or even to tax the hell out of the rich. They just want clearheaded fairness without all the hyper-jingoistic rhetoric.

What some consider leftist, socialist propaganda is just this. We feel our government is complicitous with certain industry in a global plan to sieze the natural resources of various countries, take over their industry and permantly stifle protests by ANY of the people. Members of both sides of the aisle are guilty of this and it's been going on since Johnson went back to Texas. China is a symptom. Enviromental policy, immigration and taxes are big scary monsters that they hold over our heads so we'll get into little groups and throw rocks at each other while our rights disappear without notice.

Maybe I'm a hermit but I really and respectively do not know anyone wanting to see our country become Syria, Iraq, Cuba or Mexico.