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| Old Pro |
I doubt if the serious-minded posters of this forum really care much about whatever it is you are on about. | |||
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| Old Pro |
Since these forums are now down to "my thread/your thread" mentality, and since the usual personal attacks are still going on, I feel it's best "not to feed the trolls" anymore. It's tempting, but feel it's best to keep steering the thread back to the issues at hand. There's a lot of things going on right now, here in this nation and globally. Most of them tie in together in some way, when you step back and look at the big picture, but it's still good to be able to look at certain things in depth. I believe it's good to look at the problems openly, discuss the questions surrounding an issue, and possible solutions as well. RH actually began the discussion of GMO's a while back. It wasn't until my searches into Oklahoma Earthquakes led me to many diverse forums looking at earthchanges and news events, that the subject of GMO's, the corporations creating them, and their collusion with the government came up. Just how sinister these things really are, and their plans for them, became very apparent. | |||
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| Old Pro |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi...ma-gm-food-labelling Here's where the President and leader of the "anti-corporation" party stands AFTER getting in office and seeing the upside to doing business WITH the GMO folks. You can't just go to Whole Foods and grab anything that says "natural" and you can longer trust the "party of the people" or Obama's FDA and USDA to protect us from well paying lobbyists. For those on here that might be thinking of watching what they eat, It requires a little homework but is well worth the time and trouble. | |||
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| Old Pro |
Tom Philpott is the food and agriculture blogger for Mother Jones. I'm sure that i am not the only one who visits here that has been checking and reading ingredients on food containers since leaving high school. Couldn't tell momma what to buy but was choosey when spending my own dough. Was also one of those who questioned authority. So?? Most or all of the people who visit here should already know better. | |||
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| Old Pro |
Yes, the responsibility is on every individual person to to inform themselves about GMO's, what studies have been done on them, what the possible risks are, and how to avoid them as much as possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxc9DHQ10z4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...IpBo&feature=related Of course, most of us have been exposed to GMO's within the last ten years. What the long-term effects will be, remain to be seen. The science has been suppressed by the very people who are supposed to protect us, in fact, are supposed to be working for, and are paid by, the taxpayers of this country. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVeS1yIA7x0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...UWp4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...wTGE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...hCCE&feature=related | |||
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| Old Pro |
Vertical farming is the solution. It will solve the huge problems of overpopulation and starvation . Oklahoma farms can solve this problem fast. http://youtu.be/NWnVifZ3ryg | |||
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| Old Pro |
Nice video, Tim! Thanks for contributing!! Cities are VERY capable of growing food and it could be cheaper since the transportation would be local instead of cross country. I wonder how much food could be grown if suburbanites abandoned the Bermuda grass norm and instead grew edibles? | |||
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| Old Pro |
Sounds like the movie "Soylent Green". Growing food without soil...Monsanto and Dupont love the idea! | |||
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| Old Pro |
I see where you're going, Poppy, but I'm gonna say that growing food in a liquid medium reminds me of the old Bruce Dern movie called "Silent Running". Hydroponics HAS been around for quite some time. I saw an amazing display of hydroponic fruit and vegetable growing at Disneyworld...21 years ago. I'm sure that Monsanto would have their own take on growing food without dirt but it doesn't HAVE to be bad. If we take REAL seeds and give them REAL food, we could grow REAL food. It's all in what you're starting with and what you feed it. On a slightly different note... One of my biggest problems with industrialized food can be purchased at McDonald's. The "grilled" chicken sandwich that many eat for lunch has NEVER seen a grill. Like the original clownfood Frankenmeal, the McRib, the grill marks are PAINTED on with a substance known to many fast food giants and has been shown to be carcinogenic. Some folks KNOW this but eat the stuff anyway. THAT sounds like Soylent Green to me!! Dead, ground up people OR unidentifiable, genetically modified meat-like substance. I think I'll take the Donner Party for $100, Alex! | |||
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| Old Pro |
"Silent Running" was a good flic but I think he had dirt under the trees. My complaint is that Agribusiness and farming are on opposite ends of the spectrum. The "farms" of today with thousands of acres where the same crop is grown year after year are ruining our soil while being breeding grounds for new resistant bugs and diseases. The old family farmers had a credo of "leave the land a better place than you found it". They did that by rotating crops to build the soil up so that large amounts of fertilzer and pesticides were not needed. They also used windbreaks to control erosion as well as terracing and grass water ways. There is nothing wrong with growing food using hydroponics in multistory buildings...it has a lot of pluses....just don't call it farming! Didn't know about the "grilled" chicken at McDonalds...they fooled me with the painted lines!! | |||
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| Old Pro |
Don't feel bad about being fooled by the fake grill marks on the mcchicken - we're all being played for fools in so many ways, it's incredible. When the big companies that run agribusiness and bioengineering and the military industrial complex call ths shots in our government now, concerning food safety and agriculture....when the big pharmaceutical corps run the CDC and FDA - "we the people" get the shaft. Camping out to protest big banks is just a diversion, when our government has had a "corporate takeover". I was watching some videos on how our government has been hijacked, and is now really just a big corporation. That when the congress of 1871 (I think it was), created a "new government" for the District of Columbia, it actually created a corporation. Our Republic was destroyed from that time on, basically. I haven't finished looking into that, but it really does make sense, seeing how easily it has merged and blended with big corporations and big banking ever since that time. The creation of the Federal Reserve is another eye-opener. I don't know what could be done to fix it all. Perhaps some judges, some elected officials that are "untouchables" that can go in and unratify some of this mess, bring it back to the original Republic, and break up the government/corporation racket with something like the RICO act? How to clean up our water, our soil, and keep our heirloom and historical food supply from going extinct, will have to come after the problem causing it all is fixed. Good luck to that happening, right? | |||
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| Old Pro |
The best place to start would be in Oklahoma. Cheap land and tons of experience in Agri business. http://youtu.be/Gzim4hTGRQE http://youtu.be/Gzim4hTGRQE | |||
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| Old Pro |
If these methods are used, there wouldn't be any need to go the Monsanto, DuPont, Bayer, etc. way. Pesticides and herbicides would be so last century. The proper light spectrum can easily be provided by energy saving sources. Maybe, just maybe...there lies the problem? No need for RoundUp? | |||
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| Old Pro |
Full Article: http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/10/27-13 | |||
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| Old Pro |
Say it isn't so! Our gov. is pimping GMO's around the world?? http://www.truth-out.org/new-w...worldwide/1314303978 One of our last presidents, President Eisenhower, in his farewell speech warning of "unrealistic plans for agriculture" in connection with his warnings of the growing power of the M-I-C...oh my, the man was a prophet. Too bad, no one would listen then, most are not listening still...perhaps they never will? Can the few informed and irate consumers turn the tide when so much is stacked against them? Stay tuned. | |||
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