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Ener1, Parent of Obama-Backed Green Company, Files for Bankruptcy -

The parent company of an electric car battery maker that received more than $100 million in government funding from the Obama administration has filed for bankruptcy protection, the company announced Thursday.

Alex Sorokin, the CEO for lithium-ion battery manufacturer Ener1, said the company suffered when demand for the batteries dropped as fewer Americans than expected opted for electric cars.

"This was a difficult, but necessary, decision for our company," Sorokin said in a statement on its website. "We moved aggressively to reduce costs and shift focus when the marketplace did not evolve as quickly as anticipated. Our business plan was impacted when demand for lithium-ion batteries slowed due to lower-than-expected adoption for electric passenger vehicles."

EnerDel, a subsidiary of Ener1 dedicated to making batteries for electric cars, was awarded a $118 million grant from the Energy Department in 2009 as part of President Obama's economic stimulus package and green energy push. Ener1 said that the bankruptcy filing and newly announced company restructuring would allow its subsidiaries, including EnerDel, to "continue normal operation."

The filing came exactly a year after Vice President Joe Biden visited an Ener1 manufacturing plant in Indiana where he proclaimed the company was the "start" to reshaping the way Americans drive and "the way Americans power their lives."

"A year and a half ago, this administration made a judgment. We decided it's not sufficient to create new jobs -- we have to create whole new industries," Biden told the plant workers then. "We're back in the game."

Ener1's financial collapse prompted a comparison to the doomed solar energy company Solyndra from Rep. Cliff Sterns, R.-Fla., who has been one of President Obama's most vocal critics concerning the green energy loan guarantee initiative. Solynda received more than half a billion dollars in taxpayer money as a loan guarantee from the Energy Department in 2009, two years before it collapsed in August 2011.

Like Biden at Ener1, President Obama toured a Solyndra plant in California in May 2010 where he touted its potential.

"As with his comments touting Solyndra, Biden's remarks on Ener1 show how wrong the Obama Administration has been with these loan guarantees and grants," Sterns said on his website. "Instead of producing thousands of 'clean energy' jobs, the Administration's loan guarantee and grant programs are yielding another bankruptcy and the squandering of taxpayer dollars."

Solyndra is now the target of a federal criminal investigation aimed at determining whether the company was awarded the massive loan thanks to undue political influence, despite what critics said were visible signs the company was already in financial trouble.
 
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Stimulus-Backed Solar Company Lays off 70 Percent of Workforce -

President Obama used a weekly address in July 2010 to tout his stimulus package’s support for the solar industry. One of the companies he mentioned specifically, Abound Solar, just announced that it will lay off 70 percent of its workforce.

Abound would “creat[e] more than 2,000 construction jobs and 1,500 permanent jobs,” Obama claimed, and would be integral to the administration’s quest to “create whole new industries and hundreds of thousands of new jobs in America.”

But a year and a half later, the company’s staff numbers only 120. It announced Tuesday that it would lay off 180 full time and 100 part time employees, halt solar panel production, and delay the construction of a manufacturing plant in Indiana

Abound received a $400 million loan guarantee under the Energy Department’s Section 1705 renewable energy loan program, which also gave a $535 million guarantee to now-bankrupt Solyndra. Abound has drawn $70 million of its loan guarantee, and won’t be able to draw any more until it resumes production.

Steve Abely, the company’s chief financial officer, rejected comparisons between Abound and Solyndra. “Solyndra cells were never cost competitive,” he insisted. “We are competitive.”
 
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Meanwhile...it was reported in the Pittsburgh papers today that 7 coal powered power plants in PA have begun plans to shut down because the cost of Obamas new polution standards did not make them profitable. One plant in 2007 spent $7 million on the latest pollution technology...

Who is Obama blaming for rising energy prices????
 
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Well, with the 'green' corps failing, the coal powered plants closing, and bans on new drilling and pipelines, what is left?

I guess people can go back to cooking on fireplaces and burning candles for light...

Or they can build more nuke plants. I'm sure there's still some floodplains and fault lines around that don't have a nuke plant on them yet...
 
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Meanwhile...it was reported in the Pittsburgh papers today that 7 coal powered power plants in PA have begun plans to shut down because the cost of Obamas new polution standards did not make them profitable. One plant in 2007 spent $7 million on the latest pollution technology...

Who is Obama blaming for rising energy prices????


I was part of getting these 2 closed in Chicago. One of them is over 100 years old. The emissions kill people. Easier to switch to alternative sources of energy than retrofit a 100-year old plant in the middle of Chicago.

While Greenpeace activists were doing this, we were downtown at the EPA hearings giving testimony on Mercury Rule, we brought in thousands of NAACP, Native American, and environmentalist activists throughout Illinois, Indiana, Michigan.

Really kenny, you claim to be a Christian but can't understand that businesses should be safe for human beings? You have 5 kids, any of them with asthma? The parents of the kids in Little Village were taking their kids to the ER for asthma attacks more times than anywhere else in Illinois. Asthma kills people, kenny.

Nationally, asthma affects about 10% of kids, but in Little Village it was more like 50%.

This is acceptable to you kenny? Let businesses make a profit while killing children (and the elderly?)

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Nuclear energy is safe and efficient, even when built on fault lines, in potential tsunami coastline, in tornado alley, and on river floodplains. No threat of asthma with nuke energy.

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False dichotomy as there are many other choices besides nuclear.

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Nuclear energy is safe and efficient, even when built on fault lines, in potential tsunami coastline, in tornado alley, and on river floodplains. No threat of asthma with nuke energy.

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Meanwhile...it was reported in the Pittsburgh papers today that 7 coal powered power plants in PA have begun plans to shut down because the cost of Obamas new polution standards did not make them profitable. One plant in 2007 spent $7 million on the latest pollution technology...

Who is Obama blaming for rising energy prices????


I was part of getting these 2 closed in Chicago. One of them is over 100 years old. The emissions kill people. Easier to switch to alternative sources of energy than retrofit a 100-year old plant in the middle of Chicago. ... there are no viable "alternative " energies to date to replace coal...

While Greenpeace activists were doing this, we were downtown at the EPA hearings giving testimony on Mercury Rule, we brought in thousands of NAACP, Native American, and environmentalist activists throughout Illinois, Indiana, Michigan. meanwhile, more mercury will be released into the atmosphere from Obamas new curly light bulbs than the old coal stations could ever dream of!

Really kenny, you claim to be a Christian but can't understand that businesses should be safe for human beings? You have 5 kids, any of them with asthma? The parents of the kids in Little Village were taking their kids to the ER for asthma attacks more times than anywhere else in Illinois. Asthma kills people, kenny....more personal attacks on my Christianity and assumptions...I know more about asthma and have experienced more with asthma than you will ever know...and we do not live anywhere near a power station...

Nationally, asthma affects about 10% of kids, but in Little Village it was more like 50%. Some places are higher, and some are lower...that is why we talk about "averages"...

This is acceptable to you kenny? Let businesses make a profit while killing children (and the elderly?)
What I find unacceptable is the misguided people who protest oil, coal and nuclear power...the lifeblood of our economy. You talk about people dying because of them...well it doesn't even begin to total a percentage of those who would die without these power sources! You will only be happy when we can go back and live in the middle ages! And before you bring up the tired old point...No...there are no viable replacements, and if we shut down all of our power producers, we will not magically start replacing it with this mythological "alternative" power...this is real world...not your pipe dream!
 
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Without taking sides on the issue, I see wide use of nuclear power in the (distant) future as inevitable based on its incredible efficiency.

Think of it this way - in a 100 percent efficient (no such thing) nuclear reactor one single hydrogen atom could provide enough power to meet the need of Los Angeles for a month! We are nowhere close to that today, but the efficiency of nuclear power conversion is far greater than any other available power source even today. Use of nuclear power will simply be unavoidable on a planet with increasing demands and decreasing natural resources.
 
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Nuclear energy may be very efficient, but the dangers are beyond what human beings can be trusted with. Just last year alone we saw one plant taken out by earthquake and tsunami in Japan, and one here in the U.S. surrounded by flood waters most of the Summer.

A little checking found nuke facilities located on fault lines and in areas prone to tornados, such as the one that wiped out parts of Joplin last year. What nuke plant can withstand a direct hit from a cat. 4 or 5 mile-wide tornado?

And then there is the problem of all the nuclear waste, and things that are radioactive/toxic for decades, even hundreds of years.

A stable, intelligent society MIGHT be entrusted to use and dispose of such things in the correct way at all times, but there is no fully stable and intelligent society on earth today. Most all are degrading at a steady pace, morally, intellectually, and spiritually.

So, there really is NO safe viable alternatives for the energy we've all grown accustomed to. "Green" energy...where is it? It's a joke.
 
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14.3% of US energy produced by "green" energy according to Wiki, but I don't feel like looking up anything at the moment.
 
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...in a 100 percent efficient (no such thing) nuclear reactor one single hydrogen atom could provide enough power to meet the need of Los Angeles for a month!

Oops. Make that "one day". Slight difference.
 
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Nuclear energy may be very efficient, but the dangers are beyond what human beings can be trusted with.

We're gonna have to use it at some point in the future. Just sayin'. Better start leaning how to use if safely now. A bag full of fissionable matial can provide the same amount of energy as covering the whole planet in solar panels.

People are working on ways to render fuel grade material incapable of being enriched to weapons grade. That will happen sometime in the next 10 years.

Just remember - "That which doesn't make me stronger kills me."
 
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Really kenny, you claim to be a Christian but can't understand that businesses should be safe for human beings? You have 5 kids, any of them with asthma? The parents of the kids in Little Village were taking their kids to the ER for asthma attacks more times than anywhere else in Illinois. Asthma kills people, kenny....more personal attacks on my Christianity and assumptions...I know more about asthma and have experienced more with asthma than you will ever know...and we do not live anywhere near a power station...

Let me 'splain sumpin to you, kenny, about what a personal attack is. It is not referring to you as being a Christian and asking you how do you hold two opposing moral ideologies at the same time (Christian ethos of love thy neighbor as thyself while espousing capitalistic notion that businesses that kill people are acceptable for a Christian to support). That is not a personal attack. I do wish you would educate yourself on the topic of personal attacks, which are ad hominems, names, and pejoratives. If you don't want people to ask about your religious scruples, don't advertise them on the forum as "reasons" why you disagree with various social issues or why certain topics should not be allowed to be discussed.
 
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Nationally, asthma affects about 10% of kids, but in Little Village it was more like 50%. Some places are higher, and some are lower...that is why we talk about "averages"...

Unfortunately for you, and fortunately for those of us who finally got the mercury rule re-written, the overwhelming medical data proves that particulates from coal plants are what drives asthma admissions to ERs, as well as other health issues like mercury in fish. Great Lakes fish are so full of mercury (which has been proved to come from these coal plants) so full of mercury that pregnant women, women who might one day want to get preggers, and children are directed by doctors and state DNRs not to eat the fish. Unacceptable.

kenny, it would behoove you to research epidemiological evidence about asthma. You remind me of a local city councilman here who has a child with bad asthma, we showed him oodles of Pediatrics studies correlating asthma attacks in children to diesal fumes and biomass, but he refused to admit that his child might already be affected. (Lowndes County has worse air pollution than Atlanta, largely due to paper and pulp industry...down here they say, so what,it smells like money. Meanwhile, cancer rates for those living near the plant much higher than for those living upwind.)
 
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