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That's what the man is saying, Ken. It's more of a conservative liberal thing.


Anyway, what's your take on the switch years ago? Why did blacks switch to the Democratic Party? And, Why did so many of the southern Democrats leave the Democratic Party for the Republican party back throughout the sixties and early seventies?
 
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There is a lot of opinion intertwined in those facts. Some call it spin. Just b/c you claim rational analysis of facts is "spin" don't make it so.GOP started courting disaffected racists. Take a deep look at who some of our senior liberal senators and congressmen are/were. I already mentioned Mr Gore...but what about the late WV senator Byrd, who was actually a grand dragon No he wasn't, the term is Grand Wizard anyway, and he weren't that.of the KKK. He was fully accepted by the Democrat party, who were more than willing to overlook his past. He apologized more than a 1000 times and told everyone never to join that organization, called it an albatross around his neck, said he was young and immature and made a very bad mistake. Dems felt he atoned for his mistake. On the other side, look at David Duke. David Duke was a Grand Wizard of KKK, not Robert Byrd Republicans overwhelmingly rejected him as a peer.You're spinning the "facts" kenny boy. He was elected to Louisiana representative. Then he ran for Senate and for Governor. Although the Republican Party did repudiate his racism and anti-Semitism, the voters in Louisiana turned out in strong support for the racist. He got 600,000 votes in the Senate race I believe, while his opponent got 700,000 votes. That's not an "overwhelming rejection". He started as a Dem but switched to Pub, just like Strom Thurmond, and just like most Southern racist politicians. As I've said before, all of Georgia's national reps (save one) are now Pub and we have a Pub governor. Our Pub leaders today are nativist and anti-immigrant, as well as anti-voting rights act and anti-civil rights. So most black folks don't vote for 'em... Not all Southern racists turned Republican...some became leaders in the Democrat party.
Not today. Most Southern racist politicians joined the GOP. You can look back on the racist Dems of the past, Wallace, Talmadge, but those types of "leaders" don't exist in the Dem Party of today. Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond switched to Pubs. GOP of today has Ron Paul and Rick Perry (whose ranch was named N*****head (!) and Newt Gingrich. Just look up the racism of Newt Gingrich.

Oh and incidentally, David Duke was born in Oklahoma.
 
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Black Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

There was a time when they overwhelmingly voted Republican because The Republican party truely did do more than the Democratic Party to better their lot in regards to civil rights and help them gain equality. And, it's true that the Democratic Party truely did oppose and fight against emancipation.

But, for some reason, in the thirties, blacks began switching parties and continued to do so on into the early sixties when it became almost unheard of for blacks to suport the Republican Party.

Also, durring the early sixties, southern Democrats, for some reason,began to abandon the Democratic Party in favor of the Republican Party.

What caused this massive political shift?


...again...the break down of black families and their growing dependence on government drew them closer to the party of handouts. Southern whites were probably repulsed that they were carrying a large burden of taxes to support failed Democrat social policy. Of course "failed" to working folks may not be considered a fail to those who increasingly depend on others (taxpayers) for their sustenance.


To answer your recent question Podunk, I assume you missed my earlier answer to this question. See above...
 
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Could it be, my right wing commando friend, that the blacks went toward the Democratic Party because the Republicans fought tooth and nail to halt, then reverse, the Civil Rights Act.

SOME Southern whites still haven't figured out that the war flag of the Confederacy was defeated. I'd hardly use those folks as proof of anything except stupid tends to be resistant to change.
 
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I think Ken is saying the Democaratic Party enticed black folks to join them with handouts of goodies taken from the more deserving white folks who all work hard and pay taxes.

Of course, the big switch began in the thirties when most everyone was ready to support anyone or anything that might help keep a roof over their heads and beans in their bellies, including hungrey white people.

But, it's much more conceivable to those such as Ken to believe whites don't look for handouts. But, rather, just manipulate the lazy inferior blacks with handouts.

After all, they are quit incapable of deciding for themselves which party better represents them.
 
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Originally posted by podunk:
Black Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

There was a time when they overwhelmingly voted Republican because The Republican party truely did do more than the Democratic Party to better their lot in regards to civil rights and help them gain equality. And, it's true that the Democratic Party truely did oppose and fight against emancipation.

But, for some reason, in the thirties, blacks began switching parties and continued to do so on into the early sixties when it became almost unheard of for blacks to suport the Republican Party.

Also, durring the early sixties, southern Democrats, for some reason,began to abandon the Democratic Party in favor of the Republican Party.

What caused this massive political shift?


...again...the break down of black families and their growing dependence on government drew them closer to the party of handouts. Southern whites were probably repulsed that they were carrying a large burden of taxes to support failed Democrat social policy. Of course "failed" to working folks may not be considered a fail to those who increasingly depend on others (taxpayers) for their sustenance.


To answer your recent question Podunk, I assume you missed my earlier answer to this question. See above...
He's so funny, more white folks than black folks taking handouts and lots of 'em are working full time but still forced to feed their families with food stamps.

As Dan Akroyd said to Jane Curten..

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Originally posted by kenlori:
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Originally posted by kenlori:
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Originally posted by podunk:
Black Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

There was a time when they overwhelmingly voted Republican because The Republican party truely did do more than the Democratic Party to better their lot in regards to civil rights and help them gain equality. And, it's true that the Democratic Party truely did oppose and fight against emancipation.

But, for some reason, in the thirties, blacks began switching parties and continued to do so on into the early sixties when it became almost unheard of for blacks to suport the Republican Party.

Also, durring the early sixties, southern Democrats, for some reason,began to abandon the Democratic Party in favor of the Republican Party.

What caused this massive political shift?


...again...the break down of black families and their growing dependence on government drew them closer to the party of handouts. Southern whites were probably repulsed that they were carrying a large burden of taxes to support failed Democrat social policy. Of course "failed" to working folks may not be considered a fail to those who increasingly depend on others (taxpayers) for their sustenance.


To answer your recent question Podunk, I assume you missed my earlier answer to this question. See above...
He's so funny, more white folks than black folks taking handouts and lots of 'em are working full time but still forced to feed their families with food stamps.

As Dan Akroyd said to Jane Curten..


There is no question that more white folks than blacks are freeloading from working people, but then, that was not the conversation was it???
 
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You think white folks that support the Democratic Party are just deadbeats looking for a handout the same as the black folks?
 
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You think white folks that support the Democratic Party are just deadbeats looking for a handout the same as the black folks?
Poor whites tend to vote GOP

Blue collar whites tend to vote GOP

The guy's not able to make a lick of sense.
 
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Originally posted by kenlori:
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Originally posted by kenlori:
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Originally posted by podunk:
Black Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

There was a time when they overwhelmingly voted Republican because The Republican party truely did do more than the Democratic Party to better their lot in regards to civil rights and help them gain equality. And, it's true that the Democratic Party truely did oppose and fight against emancipation.

But, for some reason, in the thirties, blacks began switching parties and continued to do so on into the early sixties when it became almost unheard of for blacks to suport the Republican Party.

Also, durring the early sixties, southern Democrats, for some reason,began to abandon the Democratic Party in favor of the Republican Party.

What caused this massive political shift?


...again...the break down of black families and their growing dependence on government drew them closer to the party of handouts. Southern whites were probably repulsed that they were carrying a large burden of taxes to support failed Democrat social policy. Of course "failed" to working folks may not be considered a fail to those who increasingly depend on others (taxpayers) for their sustenance.


To answer your recent question Podunk, I assume you missed my earlier answer to this question. See above...
He's so funny, more white folks than black folks taking handouts and lots of 'em are working full time but still forced to feed their families with food stamps.

As Dan Akroyd said to Jane Curten..


There is no question that more white folks than blacks are freeloading from working people, but then, that was not the conversation was it???
What part of working people did you not understand? How can you be freeloading if you are working full time?
 
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Because of the systems "holes", there are people of all races that abuse social programs. There are people that learn how to get something for nothing by pretending they qualify for assistance. All you have to do is watch television during the day to see the number of social security attorneys basically promising they can get their clients on the program.

Maybe if we could get changes made in the way people are checked out, we can lower the number of freeloaders and remove some of the stigma from those that really DO qualify.

While we're at it, let's put some pressure on Congress to limit the way that shady trade schools promise poor people a guaranteed, government backed student loan and a money making career in the field of Nursing Assistants or Massage Therapy. Many are signing themselves into a prison of debt that you cannot get out of!

Yep...poor folks rip off the rich and ipso facto, the rich rip off the poor. Capitalism gone bad, IMO.
 
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Disability lawyers are pretty much required for anyone to get Social Security on basis of disability. If a person has a medically documented disability and tries to go through "the system" by themselves, they are flat out denied. It's a way the gov't imposes cost-saving measures, it's wrong, but that's what they do, it's a built in refusal so that it lowers the # of citizens seeking gov't assistance.

For instance, if a man whose job was running heavy equipment, if he suffers a head injury and develops seizures, he can't work in his field anymore or drive a truck (or car) and our system is supposed to give him a disability check. Or the truck driver that loses their lower legs to diabetes or car accident. I know first hand (b/c my hubby has had to work on these kinds of cases and I knew the people pursuing the disability claims) that the "system" is set up to block as many qualified people as possible from pursuing the disability claim.

So while we know there are de-frauders of the system out there, I'm more familiar with the many times deserving people are screwed over by the system into which they paid taxes and contributed for years or decades. The GOP Party of the Rich scapegoats people on disability and the working poor who use food stamps and blame the victim for supposedly not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps in order not to take gov't money. The amount of $ the gov't gives in food stamps and disability payments is miniscule compared to the huge corporate and military subsidies the richest GOP members routinely take advantage of , but they make vast political hay by scapegoating the poor and disabled as "parasites" wrecking our economy.

It's so heinous for me to see them blather about being the party of family values.
 
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