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And in the process, they are pointing the way toward something entirely different than the zero-sum game of artificial scarcity favoring top-down investors and media makers alike.

Unfortunately, the problem lies in the inability of business to invest profitably in the United States. Corporations have two trillion dollars in cash on their books right now, and none of it is going to hire American workers. Two trillion can buy a whole lot of Chinese labor. Until that issue is addressed, along with the devaluation of real estate, our expanding national debt, and the power of the banking industry, the protests shall be largely in vain.

Well, Fred, don't you suppose that eventually this protest might grow strong enough to force a solution to that very problem?

I mean, don't you think that the protesters are adressing the issue?

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As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments.

We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

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And in the process, they are pointing the way toward something entirely different than the zero-sum game of artificial scarcity favoring top-down investors and media makers alike.

Unfortunately, the problem lies in the inability of business to invest profitably in the United States. Corporations have two trillion dollars in cash on their books right now, and none of it is going to hire American workers. Two trillion can buy a whole lot of Chinese labor. Until that issue is addressed, along with the devaluation of real estate, our expanding national debt, and the power of the banking industry, the protests shall be largely in vain.

Well, Fred, don't you suppose that eventually this protest might grow strong enough to force a solution to that very problem?

I mean, don't you think that the protesters are adressing the issue?

The protesters don't have a clue as to why they are there or what the objective for being there is. There are some of the manipulators that do and it is destructive. You don't have a clue as to why they are there. If so , please make it known , maybe some of them can pick up on it.

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And in the process, they are pointing the way toward something entirely different than the zero-sum game of artificial scarcity favoring top-down investors and media makers alike.

Unfortunately, the problem lies in the inability of business to invest profitably in the United States. Corporations have two trillion dollars in cash on their books right now, and none of it is going to hire American workers. Two trillion can buy a whole lot of Chinese labor. Until that issue is addressed, along with the devaluation of real estate, our expanding national debt, and the power of the banking industry, the protests shall be largely in vain.

Well, Fred, don't you suppose that eventually this protest might grow strong enough to force a solution to that very problem?

I mean, don't you think that the protesters are adressing the issue?

The protesters don't have a clue as to why they are there or what the objective for being there is. There are some of the manipulators that do and it is destructive. You don't have a clue as to why they are there. If so , please make it known , maybe some of them can pick up on it.

Many of those kids may not know the specifics of why they feel the need to be there. But, they know that too many people have been shoved aside in this country while the few have gained in power and wealth. They are beginning to look around and they don't like what they see.

They are there for the same reason I came to HeyMarthaville and set up camp five years ago.

The more of themselves they invest in this the more they will understand about themselves and those who oppose them.

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Just like I thought, you don't have a clue either lol! No, rotfl!

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Well, Fred, don't you suppose that eventually this protest might grow strong enough to force a solution to that very problem?

I mean, don't you think that the protesters are adressing the issue?

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What is the deal with the "I have student loans" protest signs? I have seen quite a few of these. Are we all supposed to go around with signs proclaiming the woes of our self-inflicted debts now?

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Well, Fred, don't you suppose that eventually this protest might grow strong enough to force a solution to that very problem?

I mean, don't you think that the protesters are adressing the issue?

The protestors are raising the issue. Raising the issue in a clear, articuate fashion is very important. I'm not minimizing what they are doing in the least. However, I do seem that they are addressing the issue in any meaningful way.

They are saying "what we have now is not very good, and we need something else." They are voicing the need for change, but the "something else" could be better, or could be worse. Leave it to others to better define "something else". That is not the mission of these protestors.

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Originally posted by toadallyfrogger:
What is the deal with the "I have student loans" protest signs? I have seen quite a few of these. Are we all supposed to go around with signs proclaiming the woes of our self-inflicted debts now?

Student debt has been unregulated just like mortgage debt. Sometimes these students got hit with 19% interest rates. Their fault? Why is it their fault when government has regulated all other kinds of debt in this country and bailed out banks, airlines, car industry?

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For most of the communities here in the South, 300 jobs would be INCREDIBLE. I know our community would love to get them, as long as they are non-polluting and adhere to fair labor/wage laws.

Good for you, Fred!

GBG,

These jobs will probably end up in Colorado, and California.

The weakness in the Chinese labor market is employee turnover at present. Even among skilled labor a turnover rate of 50% PER MONTH is not uncommon. It is almost impossible to stabilize and improve a factory with that sort of turnover. That is the argument we are using to insource some of these high risk manufacturing operations.

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Wake up, go home, get a job and let the other useless idiots destroy the country

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Well, Fred, don't you suppose that eventually this protest might grow strong enough to force a solution to that very problem?

I mean, don't you think that the protesters are adressing the issue?

The protestors are raising the issue. Raising the issue in a clear, articuate fashion is very important. I'm not minimizing what they are doing in the least. However, I do seem that they are addressing the issue in any meaningful way.

They are saying "what we have now is not very good, and we need something else." They are voicing the need for change, but the "something else" could be better, or could be worse. Leave it to others to better define "something else". That is not the mission of these protestors.

The mission of these clueless protestors is to find someone else to blame instead of Bush for Three years of unemployment, housing failures and recession with no end in sight. Three years ago these same lemmings were chanting hope and change and calling bush hitler. Well not there is no hope and none of the changes have worked so the find someone to blame mentality calls them again. I agree with Herman Cain, three years drawing unemployment is enough. Get a job. No you can't keep the $400,000 home that you bought on balloon payments that you would have known you couldn't pay for if you had studied in college instead of partied. and no your aren't going to find another cushy do nothing job that pays 80 grand per year just because your mommy and daddy paid for a degree that you got even though you smoked weed and partied for 5 years. The employers have figured out you are an idiot even with a MS degree and you proved it by racking up $40,000 in credit card debt while spending like a drunken sailor instead of starting a 401K or IRA. Now you want taxpayers to bail you out and give you free food and healthcare and a do nothing job so you can do the same idiotic stuff all over again.

Go ahead, destroy wall street and all the banks and then destroy the corporations that you took money from for years and see how long the free ride lasts.

You're not smart enough to figure out that those that really want to destroy the country are using you to do the dirty work and when it's over, you will learn that they aren't as compassionate as the country you destroyed.

Wake up, go home, get a job and let the other useless idiots destroy the country.

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I think SOT is angry. Very angry. How dare those kids protest, eh SOT?

IF you were born with a receding hairline(ala George from SEINFELD)
and all the long-haired hippie students were getting all the beautiful girls and the best grades
you also might still hold a grudge.


Oh how i pity those poor farm animals.