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Originally posted by kenlori:
Heck...even the Episcopal church calls themselves a "Christian" church, but they are no more Christian that the folks who call themselves a 'church' when they are protesting at soldiers funerals, if they do not believe that the bible is the word of God. .

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Originally posted by podunk:
Who would that be, Kenny?

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Originally posted by kenlori:

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You think those churches where politics are preached should lose their tax exempt status, kenny? Bet Dip would be very displeased with you about that.

I think a lot of organizations use the term 'church' only for tax purposes...including Obama's Chicago church the United Church of Christ.

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Originally posted by glitterbootygirl:
Fundie environmentalism: pollute pollute pollute then trust in God to take care of it.

Numerous fundie preachers tell their congregations that any environmental ethos is Druidism and condemned by God. They preach that it is unChristian to promote respect for the environment b/c that somehow diminishes the special place humans occupy as the center of all God's attention.

Quite the opposite. "Fundies" believe that God has placed us in charge of the earth and its creatures. I do not know what "fundie" churches you have beend attending, but I am certain that they told you this since you were there.

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Originally posted by kenlori:
Heck...even the Episcopal church calls themselves a "Christian" church, but they are no more Christian that the folks who call themselves a 'church' when they are protesting at soldiers funerals, if they do not believe that the bible is the word of God. .

kenlori's trollspeak this morning is lamer than usual. Neither the Episcopal nor the Catholic nor the Methodist nor the Presbyterian nor the Lutheran nor the Congregationalists interpret the Bible literally and furthermore, for nearly 2000 years there were NO CHRISTIAN denominations that interpreted the Bible literally. 'Denominations' is the key word here...Fundamentalism is a recent Christian movement False...the word of God is unchanging, and you cannot say that there were ever times when people did not accept it for what it is...the word of God.and basically relies on followers to be ignorant and credulous.This statement says more about the author than those she chooses to attack...

The Old Testament is Jewish, the Jewish faith does not interpret the OT literally. (which is what kenlori means by "believing it to be the Word of God".)Misleading statement...I do believe that the whole bible is the wholly inspired word of God. Note to kenny, all the denominations I listed believe the Bible to be the word of God but we don't intepret symbolism, metaphor, allegory as literal fact. And neither do I. But I also do not believe that the entire bible is a metaphor like you do! I recognize parables that Jesus frequently used to drive home messages to those who could not understand. I certainly do not pick and choose what I want to me metaphors just because I do not like the message. And there is the rub....

"You are the salt of the Earth" does not mean Christians are composed of sodium chloride.

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Originally posted by podunk:
Who would that be, Kenny?

Disco and SOT

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Originally posted by glitterbootygirl:

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Originally posted by podunk:
Who would that be, Kenny?

Disco and SOT

The guilty will always be the first to speak up...

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Originally posted by podunk:
You think those churches where politics are preached should lose their tax exempt status, kenny? Bet Dip would be very displeased with you about that.

I think a lot of organizations use the term 'church' only for tax purposes...including Obama's Chicago church the United Church of Christ.

And every fundie evangelical church, especially the megachurches, heck even the Catholic church would have to lose its tax exempt status b/c of its anti-abortion and anti-gay political agendas.

Any church that fought slavery would have had to lose tax-exempt status. Any church that marched with Dr. King. Any church that protests nuclear arms. Any church that stands outside the School of the Americas. Any church that tries to put creationism in public school or pray at graduation or football games and especially Liberty University church officials who get box seats at Republican conventions.

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Originally posted by glitterbootygirl:

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Originally posted by kenlori:
Heck...even the Episcopal church calls themselves a "Christian" church, but they are no more Christian that the folks who call themselves a 'church' when they are protesting at soldiers funerals, if they do not believe that the bible is the word of God. .

kenlori's trollspeak this morning is lamer than usual. Neither the Episcopal nor the Catholic nor the Methodist nor the Presbyterian nor the Lutheran nor the Congregationalists interpret the Bible literally and furthermore, for nearly 2000 years there were NO CHRISTIAN denominations that interpreted the Bible literally. 'Denominations' is the key word here...Fundamentalism is a recent Christian movement False...the word of God is unchanging, and you cannot say that there were ever times when people did not accept it for what it is...the word of God.and basically relies on followers to be ignorant and credulous.This statement says more about the author than those she chooses to attack...

The Old Testament is Jewish, the Jewish faith does not interpret the OT literally. (which is what kenlori means by "believing it to be the Word of God".)Misleading statement...I do believe that the whole bible is the wholly inspired word of God. Note to kenny, all the denominations I listed believe the Bible to be the word of God but we don't intepret symbolism, metaphor, allegory as literal fact. And neither do I. But I also do not believe that the entire bible is a metaphor like you do! I recognize parables that Jesus frequently used to drive home messages to those who could not understand. I certainly do not pick and choose what I want to me metaphors just because I do not like the message. And there is the rub....

"You are the salt of the Earth" does not mean Christians are composed of sodium chloride.

Once again you use falsehoods, false assumptions and anti-Christian bigotry to make unvalid arguments. Why waste your time?... Because you do not possess the skills required to conduct an honest conversation! You are all about 'baffle them with BS'!

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You think those churches where politics are preached should lose their tax exempt status, kenny? Bet Dip would be very displeased with you about that.

I think a lot of organizations use the term 'church' only for tax purposes...including Obama's Chicago church the United Church of Christ.

And every fundie evangelical church, especially the megachurches, heck even the Catholic church would have to lose its tax exempt status b/c of its anti-abortion and anti-gay political agendas.

Any church that fought slavery would have had to lose tax-exempt status. Any church that marched with Dr. King. Any church that protests nuclear arms. Any church that stands outside the School of the Americas. Any church that tries to put creationism in public school or pray at graduation or football games and especially Liberty University church officials who get box seats at Republican conventions.

True! This is why I do not think that we should go down that road. Obama is already forcing church run organizations to provide services that the churches consider to be immoral. Of course, these church organizations should have never accepted government funding in the first place...

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Originally posted by kenlori:
Heck...even the Episcopal church calls themselves a "Christian" church, but they are no more Christian that the folks who call themselves a 'church' when they are protesting at soldiers funerals, if they do not believe that the bible is the word of God. .

kenlori's trollspeak this morning is lamer than usual. Neither the Episcopal nor the Catholic nor the Methodist nor the Presbyterian nor the Lutheran nor the Congregationalists interpret the Bible literally and furthermore, for nearly 2000 years there were NO CHRISTIAN denominations that interpreted the Bible literally. 'Denominations' is the key word here...Fundamentalism is a recent Christian movement False...the word of God is unchanging, and you cannot say that there were ever times when people did not accept it for what it is...the word of God.and basically relies on followers to be ignorant and credulous.This statement says more about the author than those she chooses to attack...

The Old Testament is Jewish, the Jewish faith does not interpret the OT literally. (which is what kenlori means by "believing it to be the Word of God".)Misleading statement...I do believe that the whole bible is the wholly inspired word of God. Note to kenny, all the denominations I listed believe the Bible to be the word of God but we don't intepret symbolism, metaphor, allegory as literal fact. And neither do I. But I also do not believe that the entire bible is a metaphor like you do! I recognize parables that Jesus frequently used to drive home messages to those who could not understand. I certainly do not pick and choose what I want to me metaphors just because I do not like the message. And there is the rub....

"You are the salt of the Earth" does not mean Christians are composed of sodium chloride.

Once again you use falsehoods, false assumptions and anti-Christian bigotry to make unvalid arguments. Why waste your time?... Because you do not possess the skills required to conduct an honest conversation! You are all about 'baffle them with BS'!

The dude wants to debate whether the Earth is flat. It is not flat. Go look. See the curvature?

The dude wants to debate the "theory" of evolution. Evolution is a fact, go look. See the fossils?

There's yer debate, all the rest of yer crap is Luddite chicanery.

Over in the Baptist Student Union there's a poster of a snake swallowing the Earth and the heading reads "Don't believe the Lie of Evolution." Last year two Southern Baptists declared biology majors "b/c they were going to prove evolution false". Still waiting.

Didja know that even Liberty University teaches Evolution? D'ya know why? They can't get college accreditation, their Education majors can't get teacher creds, if they don't.

Look up Christian fundamentalism, it started in the 19th century. You know, like 1800 plus years after the year of Our Lord. Now you expect us to believe you know something about the Christian religion as well as Dinosaurs on the Ark with Noah?

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Originally posted by podunk:
You think those churches where politics are preached should lose their tax exempt status, kenny? Bet Dip would be very displeased with you about that.

I think a lot of organizations use the term 'church' only for tax purposes...including Obama's Chicago church the United Church of Christ.

And every fundie evangelical church, especially the megachurches, heck even the Catholic church would have to lose its tax exempt status b/c of its anti-abortion and anti-gay political agendas.

Any church that fought slavery would have had to lose tax-exempt status. Any church that marched with Dr. King. Any church that protests nuclear arms. Any church that stands outside the School of the Americas. Any church that tries to put creationism in public school or pray at graduation or football games and especially Liberty University church officials who get box seats at Republican conventions.

True! This is why I do not think that we should go down that road. Obama is already forcing church run organizations to provide services that the churches consider to be immoral. Of course, these church organizations should have never accepted government funding in the first place...

Christ tells Christians to go out and work for justice but according to you all they should do is fast, pray and give $ to the preacher. You'd be better off in one of those cult's compounds, cut off from society. Tis devoutly to be wished...

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He does? By justice, do you mean that Christ wants us to go out teach others that he is the only way to his father - like he told us? Or is that just another metaphor since what Jesus is quoted as saying is politically incorrect?

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So Liberty U are forced by the gov to teach what they know is not true...and your point is??? Maybe I should sit back and just let you prove all of my points for me?