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Time to put those boots back on. | |||
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Thank you.
Except for the fact that the Bible claims a six day creation event, never mentions anything about change in family/genus/species/etc over time, and claims that two of every animal that ever existed were loaded onto a boat to protect them from a global 30,000 ft. flood. Perhaps some may view those shortcomings as trivial, but I happen to think they are a pretty big deal.
I'm not a accident of anything and I have no clue what "incalculable power proportions" you are talking about. You, me, and every else are the product of chemical precursors that reacted in a very hot, very acidic, low oxygen environment to form nucloetides. The odds of that happening to the "16th power", but to the "1th" power. It's quite simple. We can make some in your garage. From there the organic chemistry of DNA formation is well understood and documented. Look it up on the internet if you want to know more. Now, what is not understood, and is NOT critical to biological evolution is how self awareness, self determination, or the spark of life emerged. You can assign that event to whatever force you care to conjure. Just don't attempt to argue that your assignment somehow disproves biological evolution. | |||
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This gets fairly burdensome as I'm sure was the intention, I reconciled the creation days, and order as well as any darwinist I've ever known of could, the flood is still debated among those that claim to be religion scholars as to the "global" or "local" nature. There were other peoples mentioned in the bible at creation and after the flood including a race of giants called nephilim that existed before and after the flood and surfaced at various times in history and were characterized by giantism and six fingers and toes and may still have genetic descendants on the earth. Geology proves massive shifts in continents and most areas have sea deposits or fossils at many altitudes. As far as I am concerned there are no true "experts" concerning the exact exchanges of massive water/land surfaces but many "theories" and ideas which are fine with me. The bible does NOT specify an age to the earth and all speculations whether 6000 years or 600 billion years are of man's conjecture based on which ideas they choose to put their faith in. I do not see any evidence of a 6000 year old planet but do see much evidence in a relatively short existence of modern man. I do not disagree with adaptation of species and consider that a testament to the wisdom of the designer. I'm running out of things to argue about and if there are disagreements, pretty much agree to disagree. I am not convinced that scientific theories are the final word on this or most other ideas about the universe and believe modern "physics" to merely be scratching the surface of the ultimate knowledge of the universe. As far as the original topic of this thread, I'm less convinced than before that there is better evidence for teaching that evolution negates creation and although I admit most have over simplified the creation story, that is all that was necessary and may still be all that is necessary for a person of faith. In addition, there is every bit as much blind "faith" required to replace creation with stand alone evolution and just the mathmatical odds involved cause me to lean toward intelligent design. I agree fully with you that I disagree. Have a nice eon. | |||
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And they can knock themselves out, but there is no debate among scientists - there has never been a global flood of Noahaic proportions.
Your opinion is noted, but please understand it has no bearing on the fact that experts on plate tectonics and continental drift DO exist. They understand the phenomona that you speak of quite well.
No. The age of the earth is well understood. The tool which led to that understanding is radiometric dating using multiple parent isotopes that all provide a consistent answer of about 4.5 billion years.
Good, because the earth is not 6000 years old and man has not been around for very long by geological standards.
What is the logic behind adaptation indicating a designer? Why not just design stuff so that no adaptation is required?
If by "every bit as much" you mean "zero" I will agree with you. Biological evolution grew from examining evidence across many fields and positing a hypothesis to explain it, then fine tuning that hypothesis as new evidence emerged. Those hypotheses have converged on the undeniable fact of biological evolution. No faith involved. This "theory" is not a myth formulated by nomads, hanging out in the bronze age desert, who devoted most of their time to figuring out rules for killing animals in order to keep the Gods happy. Creationism is a fiction. Intelligent design is a repackaging of that fiction to get it taught in schools. Big fail (see Dover trial). Jump on the reality bus, SoT. We're headed to Smartville for beer and brats. There's a nice Shinerbock with your name on it. | |||
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| Old Pro |
He could not get a clue if he were standing in a field drenched in clue pheromones yelling "Cloo! Cloo!" | |||
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SOT said
No SOT, there are tons, literally tons, of evidence for the fact of evolution, they are called fossils, and they are stored in the world's natural history museums. How can you have missed all that? You have a computer, google it! Evolution is a fact. The only theoretical part is the mechanism. The theoretical part (Natural Selection) has been challenged over and over and has withstood those challenges for 150 years or more, longer than relativity or germ theory or plate tectonics. Scientific theory is "widely accepted as fact". Chez Watt mockery awaits. | |||
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| Old Pro |
Your whole argument is void if you cannot explain the origin of the chemicals mentioned above! Your whole stack of cards is built on air... | |||
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Go look up Big Bang Theory. Look up supernovae and formation of heavy elements. Then go to NASA website and look up black smokers and chemoautotrophs. Why look ridiculous all the time when you have a computer that is better than a stack of encyclopedias? Of course if you just want to pretend that the knowledge you seek doesn't exist.... | |||
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